guys, richard herman, a new york criminal defense attorney and law professor joins us from las vegas, nevada. gentlemen, thank you very much. this is not the most serious story we have but it did go to court. that is why it is a legal story. >> well, if you're a possum, it is. >> and also if you're peta, first of all the owner has hosted the possum, in a town about hundred miles west of asheville in north carolina. and it involves trapping the possum in a cage and lowering it. now the judges seemed to not -- using a wild possum, the judge ordered them to release or kill the animal. that is the weird irony. so peta sued for the treatment of animals. it sounds funny, but there is a legal issue involved. >> i actually feel bad for the possum, i think the north carolina department of wildlife made up a permit so they could issue this to mr. logan. and i think the administrative law judge who wrote an 18-page opinion, among other things, patrick henry. was right. there is no right to capture or hold a wild animal. so at the end of the day no possum drop there unless the estate legislature changes